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#1 2014-02-04 09:21:13

Reines
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Support for PHP 4

Shall we have the discussion around PHP 4 support again?

Firstly - FluxBB 2 is under active development. What is the current deal with 1.4.x and 1.5.x? Are we maintaining both branches? Remind me again what the difference is? If we were to drop PHP 4 support we'd probably want to cut to 1.6.x.

According to w3techs, only 2.4% of PHP websites are still on PHP 4 [1], so in my opinion we should just drop it - it was EOLd (including security patches) years ago anyway. Anyone still running it shouldn't be allowed to run a server, for the good of the internet.

[1] http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all

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#2 2014-02-04 09:27:23

Franz
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Re: Support for PHP 4

I agree. With the planned changes and features currently listed in the tracker, we can just call the next version 1.6.0.

1.4 is 1.5 with ranks and without the group promotion feature. I'd end the support on that when we release 1.6.


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#3 2014-02-04 13:35:47

Studio384
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Re: Support for PHP 4

According to WordPress, we also shouldn't care to much about PHP 5.0 and 5.1 either: http://wordpress.org/about/stats/.


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#4 2014-02-04 13:39:42

Franz
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Re: Support for PHP 4

I'm tempted to say that the people who are still running PHP 4 are not that likely to update their forum on every point release either.

But that might be pure prejudice.


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#5 2014-02-04 17:54:35

quy
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Re: Support for PHP 4

Franz wrote:

I'm tempted to say that the people who are still running PHP 4 are not that likely to update their forum on every point release either.

That would be my thinking too. Looking at v1.5.7, there are no security fixes, thus, these users can use v.1.5.6 with PHP 4. If they want to use v.1.5.7+, then they will have to do a PHP upgrade. My vote is to move forward and drop support for PHP 4 starting with the next release.

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#6 2014-02-04 18:01:11

Franz
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Re: Support for PHP 4

I love you guys. Way to come back and totally turn this place upside-down, Jamie. wink


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#7 2014-02-04 18:05:31

Studio384
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Re: Support for PHP 4

We might also concider updating the default styles a bit. Fixed width for example, these days on wide screen monitors, default FluxBB installation become anoying to read. We could also use border-radius instead of images. A little bit modernization wouldn't hurt. smile


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#8 2014-02-04 18:08:23

Franz
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Re: Support for PHP 4

I agree about border-radius. max-width makes complete sense, I agree.


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#9 2014-02-04 19:16:12

Different55
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Re: Support for PHP 4

Border radius like this?

h2, #brdheader .box, #brdstats .box, #brdfooter .box, input, select, textarea, button{
	border-top-right-radius: 7px;
	border-top-left-radius: 7px;
	background-clip: border-box;
}
.blocktable, .box, #brdheader, #brdstats, #brdfooter, .postfoot, .postfootleft, .postfootright, input, select, textarea, button{
	border-bottom-right-radius: 7px;
	border-bottom-left-radius: 7px;
	background-clip: border-box;
}
textarea, input, select, button {
	border: 1px solid #565656;
	background-clip: border-box;
}

One of my users suggested rounded edges, so I added them. It doesn't look great on select elements right now. If you want to see what it looks like you can look at our forum here.

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#10 2014-02-04 19:17:33

Franz
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Re: Support for PHP 4

We were referring to the rounded corners on the top and bottom of the container boxes in the Air (and related) theme(s). They are currently generated using images.


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#11 2014-02-04 22:52:30

Reines
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Re: Support for PHP 4

@Franz, would you suggest ending support on 1.4 when we release 1.6, or ending support on 1.4 and 1.5? How aggressive do you want to be?


What is the current attitude around development on 1.5.x vs 2.0? Is it mixed or is development on 1.5.x pretty much just bug fixes?

Honestly, I may be back enough to make sweeping judgements and suggestions, but I don't imagine having much time to put in to anything. Plus, PHP... urg

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#12 2014-02-04 22:57:59

Franz
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Re: Support for PHP 4

We'll drop support for 1.4, not 1.5. For now.

Development of 1.x is focused on bugfixes, but we throw in a few features from time to time. We had quite a few planned for the upcoming one anyway.


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#13 2014-02-06 00:40:32

Mpok
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Re: Support for PHP 4

Franz wrote:

We'll drop support for 1.4, not 1.5. For now.

So, you have to quick your 2.0, as i'm still in in 1.4.x… wink
As you know, i "banned" the 1.5 on my site, cos i (personally) felt "treated".

I'm still excited on the new 2.0, and i want to ask some questions :

1) The "2.0" version is "object-oriented" (in code). What about publishing the "scheme" (scheme object, with relations and procedures) ? It is no "spoilers" on that, neither "bugs on progress". The scheme does just give us (the community-devs) some infos for the future.

2) For the users : give us a date (even fool smile)… You MAY have a schedule. Just say it, and all will understand if it was not respected.

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#14 2014-02-06 10:15:22

Franz
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Re: Support for PHP 4

Mpok wrote:

1) The "2.0" version is "object-oriented" (in code). What about publishing the "scheme" (scheme object, with relations and procedures) ? It is no "spoilers" on that, neither "bugs on progress". The scheme does just give us (the community-devs) some infos for the future.

You mean like an UML diagram?


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#15 2014-05-03 21:07:03

Mpok
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Re: Support for PHP 4

Yep, i meant it.
But nevermind… wink This is OVER (3 months…).

I'd just happy if i see the dev on 2.0 progressing…

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#16 2014-05-13 00:46:29

Jack
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Re: Support for PHP 4

Mpok wrote:

I'd just happy if i see the dev on 2.0 progressing…

+1

and happy to see Reines around again...

J


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